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|Hill ([http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/15/11#11 Ether 15:11]) = [[CUMORAH|C<small>UMORAH</small>]]
|[[JAREDITES|J<small>AREDITE</small>]]/[[NEPHITE(S)|N<small>EPHITE</small>]] hill ([http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/15.11?lang=eng#10 Ether 15:11])
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'''Etymology'''
'''Etymology'''


Despite the fact that ''ramah'' appears only in an [[ISAIAH|I<small>SAIAH</small>]] passage (2 Nephi 20:19-Wrong) (''ramath'' appears in [http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/20/29#29 2 Nephi 20:29]) and the Book of Ether, in may be [[MORMON|M<small>ORMON</small>]]’s
Until possible language affinities for [[JAREDITES|J<small>AREDITE</small>]] names can be determined, all suggestions for etymologies of [[JAREDITES|J<small>AREDITE</small>]] names must remain more speculative than substantive. With that caveat, the onomasticon does offer etymologies for some [[JAREDITES|J<small>AREDITE</small>]] names, especially if it is possible that some [[JAREDITES|J<small>AREDITE</small>]] names were translated into [[NEPHITE(S)|N<small>EPHITE</small>]], or were otherwise related to one or more Semitic languages.
(i.e., Lehite) rendering of the [[JAREDITES|J<small>AREDITE</small>]] name of the hill otherwise known in the Book of Mormon as [[CUMORAH|C<small>UMORAH</small>]]. The name is also biblical, meaning “height, hill” (in KJV
'''RAMAH''', from Hebrew ''rmh'', “high, raised up”) (JAT; Reynolds, Dictionary of the Book of Mormon, p. 241, derives the name from the Hebrew construct form for “hill,”
''ramat'').


Dear Royal:
'''R<small>AMAH</small>''' is given in [http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/15.11?lang=eng#10 Ether 15:11] as the name of the hill where [[CORIANTUMR|C<small>ORIANTUMR</small>]] encamped before his final battle as well as the name of the place where [[MORMON|M<small>ORMON</small>]] hid the sacred records. Given the close association of the location with both events, the name '''R<small>AMAH</small>''' may well be of [[NEPHITE(S)|N<small>EPHITE</small>]], rather than [[JAREDITES|J<small>AREDITE</small>]], origin, and may be derived from the [[HEBREW|H<small>EBREW</small>]] רמה ''rāmāh'', "elevation, height;" cf. [[Koehler, Ludwig, and Walter Baumgartner, The Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament. 5 vols. revised by W. Baumgartner and Johann J. Stamm. Leiden: Brill, 1994. trans. of 5-volume 3rd German edition.|''HALOT'']]. '''R<small>AMAH</small>''' was also called [[CUMORAH|C<small>UMORAH</small>]] by the [[NEPHITE(S)|N<small>EPHITES</small>]] ([http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/morm/6.6?lang=eng#5Mormon 6:6]; cf. [http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/15.11?lang=eng#10 Ether 15:11]).
 
You are right; I have not included “Ramath” in my onomasticon. I have added it.
 
The short answer to your question is that it looks like a construct form. As you know there are two problems with this: 1) It never occurs in construct form in the  
Tanakh. 2) In the Book of Mormon the context does not call for a construct form.
 
It certainly was either ה or ת, depending on whether there was a vowel in front of it. It would seem that if there was a vowel, it was ה.  If there were no vowel, it was ת.
If the noun with final ה became a construct, the ה became a ת. In classical Arabic the same letter is used in both cases, but the letter is pronounced as “h” or “t”
depending on the context.  
 
The fact that the ה becomes a ת in construct would lead some people to believe that the original form for the “feminine marker” was a “(a)t.” (See Moscati, ¶ 12.32–33.) 
 
Do then the Brass Plates contain an older form of the place name, a form that has preserved the earlier grammatical marker? It is possible. However, I know of no variants
that support this conjecture. The LXX just has the vowel “a.” IQIsa is not clear (ה and ת are quite similar in that script), but the best reading still seems to be ה.  
 
Nevertheless, it is interesting that the best possibility is that the Brass Plates preserve an older form. How could Joseph have known that?
 
Yours,
 
Paul


'''Variants'''
'''Variants'''


'''Deseret Alphabet:'''
'''[[Deseret Alphabet]]:''' 𐐡𐐁𐐣𐐂 (reɪmɑː)


'''Notes'''
'''Notes'''
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Latest revision as of 07:27, 14 October 2023

Lehite GN/Jaredite GN 1. JAREDITE/NEPHITE hill (Ether 15:11)

Etymology

Until possible language affinities for JAREDITE names can be determined, all suggestions for etymologies of JAREDITE names must remain more speculative than substantive. With that caveat, the onomasticon does offer etymologies for some JAREDITE names, especially if it is possible that some JAREDITE names were translated into NEPHITE, or were otherwise related to one or more Semitic languages.

RAMAH is given in Ether 15:11 as the name of the hill where CORIANTUMR encamped before his final battle as well as the name of the place where MORMON hid the sacred records. Given the close association of the location with both events, the name RAMAH may well be of NEPHITE, rather than JAREDITE, origin, and may be derived from the HEBREW רמה rāmāh, "elevation, height;" cf. HALOT. RAMAH was also called CUMORAH by the NEPHITES (6:6; cf. Ether 15:11).

Variants

Deseret Alphabet: 𐐡𐐁𐐣𐐂 (reɪmɑː)

Notes

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